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The Frank Jones supergainer
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dayleedwards
Jan 22, 2024
Hello QRP, its been a while since I have heard from you....... The Supergainer uses characteristics with valves that are very hard to replicate using silicon, especially gain and dynamic range. You would have run into this very difficulty using unusually low voltages in your design. The conversion gain of the ECH84 is way above any FET or transistor by virtue of the high tank impedances and free voltage amplification with the coils. Even using IGFETs such as the old 40673 will get close, but still lacks the dynamic range inherent when using high voltages with tubes. The old fashioned pentode makes for the best regen, whether in IF amp/detector or straight RX. These are just my opinions and experience. There are also some unknowns with my supergainer that I have yet to figure out, one of which you mention. Using the ECH81, the usual goto valve for AM mixer service, and using in the supergainer , the regeneration of the IF varied considerably over the 3 to 1 tuning range, (4 to 12 megs) requiring the regen control to be adjusted over the band.  Using the ECH84 cured this. I cannot find much info on the differences between the ECH81 and ECH84, I am assuming the latter is a sharp cutoff heptode as opposed to the remote cutoff of the 81, as this one is designed to take an AGC control voltage. The anode resistance is similar for both, so why the difference here, I just dont know. The next issue is conversion gain, valves have TONS. The negative here is the potential overload of the IF amp/detector. We need the added regenerative selectivity, but not the gain. Unfortunately, we need one to get the other. Therefore, the IF amp needs lots of dynamic range, but this is destroyed the tighter the bandwidth before oscillation sets in. One thing in our favour, stong signals require less regeneration and can have wider bandwidths, hiding the issue.  Nothing is easy.  This design relies on an RF attenuation control at the aerial input rather than a volume control, to keep the signal levels in bounds. Now we have the problem with mixer noise increasing as we reduce the input signal. Solid state is MUCH quieter, that would be a big advantage . The more control grids in a valve, the noisier it will be, thats why triodes were used at VHF. The regen IF would be hampered using silicon because of the low impedances, the mixer stage would require an RF amp to get similar sensitivity, not benefitting from the mixer load Q multiplication from the reflected IF resonance..... think Q multiplier. Audio wise, silicon beats valves anytime, but by using ridiculously high turns ratio transformers, a triode can acheive very high gain in one stage. One interesting valve to fiddle with I think would be the triode section of the 6AV6. These have a anode resistance of 80000 ohms, with a 500k anode load have a voltage gain of round 70 with few hundred volts. Thats lot of gain in one stage, around 40 dB I think . So, I dont think a solid state supergainer with a similar number of parts would perform without disappointment, it would need more complexity for a similar performance to the two valve version. As always, I love being wrong, thats how I learn new stuff.
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Deltahet is alive!!
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dayleedwards
May 07, 2023
Have spent even more time experimenting with this radio. It seems it has reached the limit of its performance insofar as sensitivity and stability is concerned. The biggest ongoing issue is drift in the tuneable 2.455 to 3.455 mhz oscillator in the final IF section. As the radio warms up, it drifts out of the narrow 455kc xtal IF filter passband, only stabilising after 10/15 minutes. The 2mm alloy chassis has lots of thermal inertia, ie, it heats slowly. I am wondering if a series of holes drilled through the chassis would create a thermal "island" in the ECH81 3rd mixer area to help isolate the external heating, especially from the mains transformer. I have now settled on 6BE6s pentagrids for the first and 2nd signal mixers, with low screen voltages and high value cathode resistors, the mixer noise has reduced considerably, conversion gain still remains high, the signal and injection grid isolation is a welcome bonus. A quick 12 dB SINAD test reveals -107 dBm AM at 30 percent mod, thats around 1 microvolt across 50 ohms, this is quite good, I think up from the -92dBm earlier. This sensitivity holds from 3 mHz through 30mHz... more than adequate for HF.. AGC is now applied to the RF, ist IF, and second IF amplifiers all using 6BA6 remote cutoffs, the RF amplifier now using a 6BZ6, these seem quieter in operation. Cosmic noise is now audible over all bands. Another slight issue is BCFM breakthrough in some higher bands, this would be eliminated with a LPF after the RF amplifier. Another annoying issue, I cannot quite get the new valve VFO to exactly coincide with the existing FRG7 tuning drum markings, so have opted for a digital display. This is due to arrive from China in a few days. Unfortunately it uses a six digit 7 segment display, so may be a tight fit in the front panel. These modules have a +- programmable IF offset so setting this to -3.455 should allow it to read 0 to 100000 as the VFO tunes 3.455 to 2.455 mHz, ie, the Wadley loop 2nd IF runs backwards in frequency as it tunes the RX frequency higher. Its a cheats way of doing it, I have spent far too much time on this project already. With my current fascination with Wadley loop receivers, and before I forget how they work, have picked up a realistic DX300. I am wondering why the reviews were so bad, and just how bad are they, can it be improved etc. I may do a write up if anyone is interested.
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Deltahet is alive!!
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dayleedwards
Mar 03, 2023
Yes, the ECH81 is by far the best bottled mixer made, and easy to use. . I dont know why, but these valves never got used in the USA, the only triode/hexode that I am aware of that had any traction was the older 6K8. The 6BE6 was used extensively, from the AA5s through to those big Collins radios. I think Hallicrafter used 6K8s extensively, but Im not really up on American stuff. Europe was a leader in valve tech, especially Philips, they printed many books of radio designs for the hobbyist, and gave out very complete application notes for all their products. I hated repairing anything made by Phillips , most of their passive components were rubbish, remember those horrid IF cans that were held together with wax, and would break if you even looked at them. The "lollipop" capacitors that would self disintegrate over time, weirdly made potentiometers that could not be replaced by anything else, even their knobs were different. Philips TVs were the same. But, to be fair, their stuff performed really well. Your circuit would have been a fairly standard use of preferred valves, and that radio would have performed very well. Even today, valves easily outperform transistors in simple radio circuits, and are definitely easy to use. The endless fun, to build a simple radio, and then try improving the performance by tweaking, adding and modifying is an awesome hobby..... everyone smiles as they receive that very first signal on that collection of just a few random parts.
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Deltahet is alive!!
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dayleedwards
Mar 01, 2023
After listening to the Deltahet over the last weeks, I decided to address some annoying issues. Firstly, tuning the megacycle selector was much too critical, the bandwidth was too sharp. This too affected the second mixer, the CIO injection level was too low This was why that mixer originally used the "leaky grid" method, where the 37.5 and 40 megahertz were applied to the same grid of the 6AU6, These two signals are so close together in frequency that they interfere with each other, not a good design. .... tuning the 40 meg BPF would pull the 37.5 meg tuning. A 6BE6 was tried here, having separate control grids, but the signal levels were far from optimum to achieve good mixing. So, another amplification stage was in order here at the 37.5, allowing steeper selectivity skirts, and a final amplitude increase from 350 mV to around 1 volt. The coils could now be stagger tuned to increase the effective bandwidth, the final tuned circuit was tapped down to allow cathode injection to the second mixer, thereby further isolating the RF and injection ports. This has made tuning easier and the circuit more robust. There are now 3 double tuned circuits at 37.5 megs, with a 4th single tuned at the output, the 40 meg signal BPF retains the 8 top coupled tuned circuits, the coupling reduced from 2.2 to 1 pF per section to give the 800 KC bandwidth with minimal ripple . The existing second mixer was repurposed as the third amplifier stage, the ECC81 twin triode first audio was replaced with a 6BL8 /ECF80, the triode section remaining as the audio, the pentode now becoming the new second mixer.... there was limited room to use another valve, the 7 pin miniatures have only limited possibilities The second annoyance was the many different valves used, I figured it could be improved here as well. The EF80s were replaced with 6AU6 RF pentodes, with only a slight decrease in conversion gain. The radio now uses 6AU6s in all the mixer and loop amplifier circuits, and the remote cutoff 6BA6s in the signal circuits using AGC control. The 4th mixer and product detector still uses the ECH81s.... these operate at higher signal levels. The ECF80 is now out of place, but needs must. Fortunately with valved equipment, many mods can be made without too much major surgery. The performance of the radio is very good, as far as sensitivity and stability is concerned. The off signal noise level is high, this is mainly mixer noise, this reduces quickly on signal. It is also exaggerated by the very wide first IF bandwidth. The wider the window opens, the more dirt blows in...... I have managed to receive the American truckers at 27.025 for long periods, just as stable as say, WWV on 5 megs, thats a distance of 8000 miles or so...... sensitivity is in the 1 microvolt region right now.... Once I am happy with the radio, I will measure the actual performance, drift, sensitivity, dynamic range etc, and come up with a few figures.... I am especially interested in the dynamic range and image rejection figures.
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Deltahet is alive!!
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dayleedwards
Feb 12, 2023
Today had a MAJOR breakthrough. I had suspicions with the first mixer being inefficient. The radio was sensitive but struggling even with fairly strong signals, and appeared to overload easily despite the AGC working its little heart out. While messing with the mixer and even changing it to a different design, I turned my attention to the RF amplifier. Turns out, the geriatric moron that assembled this thing fitted a 47k cathode resistor instead of a 470 ohm..... yes, I am a bloody moron. Now this radio is really alive. Later when the sun goes down, I will do a decent band scan on video. The ssb detector is now functioning correctly, the s meter is behaving itself, and ALL the birdies have vanished. The good thing I guess is I have optimised the weak signal handling of the first mixer......... always look at the positives. All for the sake of ONE bloody resistor. I temporarily placed a small fan under the chassis to increase ventilation, this works a treat. The long term oscillator drift in the second IF was driving me nuts,, this slowly increased as the chassis heated up, not much, but enough to be a nuisance. I dont know whether lifting the power transformer slightly off the chassis will help here, this will break the thermal transfer to the chassis, and then to the coil cans. Oddly, the 40 to 70 meg oscillator sits within 100kc of its setting, it drifts very little considering the higher frequency, and of course matters not, as its drift is cancelled anyway. The tuneable IF drifts a few 100s of cycles , on;y a pain on SSB.. The BFO uses a ceramic filter, this is relatively stable, despite not liking to work into high impedance valves, they are low impedance devices. I modified the AGC slightly to give a fast attack and slow decay, and added a fast/slow, this will use one of the missing front panel switches. Also added a triode audio preamp stage to give a tad more audio grunt, had an unused spare.. Its pretty much finished. The Kilohertz tuning is slightly non linear and is not quite accurate on the Yaesy dial drum, that is annoying and needs looking into. The ECH81 product detector works well, but having the BFO centered in the 3rd IF passband iis not ideal, the audio image makes copy difficult at times. This needs improving too. I will now do a final video of it running......
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Low component count Wadley loop RX
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dayleedwards
Feb 12, 2023
Yes Larry, many thanks. Thing is, I have HUNDREDS of assorted variable caps, from single to 5 gangs, some with slomo drives, have been collecting these for years. Its easy for me to use what I have, but this wont work for others. Polyvaricons are still easily obtainable, China will sell you a box of 10 for just a few dollars, and free postage, but they are very fiddly to create some kind of decent and robust slomo tuning arrangement, other than perhaps a dial drum and cord system. I am hoping someone else will decide to replicate the things I make or design, for this to happen, several things are needed. The biggest seems to be cost, and , anything mechanical requires mounting work, drilling, cutting etc, metalwork is usually beyond the reach of many hobbiests. Alluminium chassis are horrendously expensive, even from China, and can make or break a project. And, if a design is too complex, many lack the self confidence to even contemplate building it. I am trying to use commonly available parts that anyone can easily buy without overloading the credit card or getting tangled in divorce proceedings. I would rather have a radio than a wife, but thats just me............. Thinking about this project further, I can possibly do without any tuning capacitors completely, using a second sythesiser working on a slightly different principle, adding another couple of chips. That will dispense with any mechanical work entirely. By using harmonic locking in the first synthesiser, thereby removing any need for programmable dividers, most of the complexity disappears. The second synthesiser can be equally as simple, using a simple mixing arrangement, where an oscillator with a 100 Hz raster at say 30 megs can be divided by 10 to give 10Hz tuning steps at 3 megs, again using the same harmonic generator as a reference....... I think? It all depends on whether the 74HT4046 will cooperate, this I will breadboard in the next weeks.;.......
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1925 ERLA super reflex kit
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